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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 9, 2022 18:22:05 GMT -8
Has anyone built one of these stoves?
I've studied the drawings and read the badly Google translated Russian documents but I'm still at a loss of some of the fundamental concepts.
Primary air is supplied from the ash door and up through a burn grate. Secondary air is mentioned but I'm unsure of how it is supplied. The firebox is attached to the bell through a 2 to 3 cm "dry seam".
How is the burn chamber scaled to larger and smaller exterior area? Are there formulas for air? All the stoves in the oic category appear to use the same ash door air inlet.
If someone is fluent in Russian and was into translating some passages I would appreciate that.
Thanks
Joseph
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 2:49:34 GMT -8
Suffice it to say that the system descended from God to the author. Then it's up to you ...
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 6:21:25 GMT -8
Suffice it to say that the system descended from God to the author. Then it's up to you ... I did get that feeling in reading some of the literature. It verged on proselytizing. Are there other sources to look at that give the subject more clarity? |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 6:27:51 GMT -8
I started studying stoves with Kuznetsov. After deepening, I came to the rocket furnaces. From the classic I recommend the Lars Helbro stoves.
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 6:33:45 GMT -8
I started studying stoves with Kuznetsov. After deepening, I came to the rocket furnaces. From the classic I recommend the Lars Helbro stoves. Can you explain why you left? What was you experience with those type of stoves? How well did they work? Thanks |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 6:41:41 GMT -8
Years of studying forums and communicating with stove-makers. I'm too knowledgeable.  |
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Post by hof on Jan 10, 2022 13:59:31 GMT -8
And very modest...
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 14:28:50 GMT -8
Years of studying forums and communicating with stove-makers. I'm too knowledgeable. Joking aside do you have anything to say about his stove designs? |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 14:35:38 GMT -8
What are you interested in? Everything is described in detail on the site. But, the devil in the little things ... |
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 15:08:18 GMT -8
What are you interested in? Everything is described in detail on the site. But, the devil in the little things ... As I said in my initial post I'm interested in Size of primary air Size of secondary air and how it is supplied How the dry seam is sized and it's placement The ratio if any to primary bell and firebox size How the firebox is scaled to the stoves overall size I would also be interested in hearing how well they work and how user friendly they are to use. The site certainly is heavy on detail but much of what I've read repeats the same argument for free gas movement and bell designs which I do not need to know. I have yet to read anything regarding the questions I have above. Perhaps you have been sworn to secrecy and are only allowed to hint at things. If you need to speak in metaphor I will do my best to understand your meaning.  |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 15:34:30 GMT -8
If you looked at the available schemes of ovens, you might have noticed that there is no harmony and scalability in the system. As there is no free movement of gases in two bells, one above one. And there is practically no bell, rather a counterflow oven. The system was actively advertised and therefore had its followers. But, colleagues and students left the creator. The former glory is gone. Rather, rejection. An example of oxygen separation.
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 16:21:11 GMT -8
If you looked at the available schemes of ovens, you might have noticed that there is no harmony and scalability in the system. As there is no free movement of gases in two bells, one above one. And there is practically no bell, rather a counterflow oven. The system was actively advertised and therefore had its followers. But, colleagues and students left the creator. The former glory is gone. Rather, rejection. An example of oxygen separation. Looking at this schematic I would still describe it as a bell stove. There are two as you state and the passages are small but I would definitely not call it a contra flow stove. The gasses appear to have room to rise and stratify as they desire. There is definitely a lot of trash talk about who invented what and who makes "real" stoves. From the outside it is nearly impossible to make heads or tails of the argument. Having worked with these stoves did they live up to the advertising? Who did former students move to in the Russian stove community? |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 17:01:28 GMT -8
Alex Chernov is a bright representative. Probably the last time he represented a teacher in Hungary was the year after Lars Helbro in 2008.Since then, Hungarian stove-makers have divided into two camps ...
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Post by josephcrawley on Jan 10, 2022 17:09:03 GMT -8
Not to muddy the waters but I did find this video explaining the wonders of the dry seam. I could not understand the Russian but from the molecular graphics I got the idea. It seems a little far fetched. youtu.be/gaXyWyDm2mkOtherwise the firebox concept made sense. |
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Post by serg247 on Jan 10, 2022 17:22:43 GMT -8
It is the "dry seam" that turns the counterflow oven into a kind of bell.
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