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Post by grizbach on Dec 25, 2013 15:08:49 GMT -8
As I said I just give an opinion without any agressiveness. It was, for me, a kind of respect for all the work done by you, Peter. The other reason was that I had the same idea and I am not found about property rights with open source ideas. I completely agree! |
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Post by DCish on Dec 25, 2013 15:50:39 GMT -8
Ditto on the respect! A tremendous wealth of knowledge has been shared here, and huge thanks to Pioniers for adding his part. I intended the sketchup question for Pioniers, actually, despite where it fell in the thread after Peter's comments. Note to self to use "@ Pioniers" next time to be clear who I'm addressing.
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Post by independentenergy on Dec 25, 2013 23:54:46 GMT -8
I would use the batch box, for RMH at my home, no commercial use.
It would be interesting to see which solution best P-channel or S-Portal
Obviously respecting the work of the masters and the willingness to share or not their solutions.
cordially
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Post by Dan (Upstate NY, USA) on Dec 26, 2013 0:27:49 GMT -8
Better yet stand on their shoulders and make something even better...
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Post by satamax on Dec 26, 2013 11:57:37 GMT -8
Or use another arangement to do the same thing. If one can definately give proof of intelectual property, well backed up with an anteriority research. Well, i'll abide! Otherwise, i'm kind of dubious this hasn't been done before in other contexts. Prety hard to prove intelectual property on this one imho. I bet we could find "prior art" on this one. |
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Post by matthewwalker on Dec 26, 2013 15:52:06 GMT -8
Max, you suggested the same thing right here on this forum only a few weeks ago. I haven't gone looking for it, but prior art for sure exists. Anyway, I think it's great that you shared your design with us Pioniers, and if registered and protected is the only way you feel comfortable sharing, well, that's your choice, and I respect it. I appreciate the sharing of knowledge however it's done. Thank you for the idea.
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Post by colinsaengdara on Dec 26, 2013 17:38:17 GMT -8
My feeling on the intellectual property issue is that any ideas I come up with were a result of my interacting with the material and the folks who are also developing. I tend to think of designs as seperate from myself. Something to be discovered. My understanding of the materials, the various physics principles at play simultaneously all come from others who have been willing to share. I aspire to create or cocreate stoves that are functional and efficient far beyond what is commonly purchased, and that burns a renewable resource. Anything I do to further this progression is the least I can contribute to the planet and communities that have supported my unlikely existence.
That being said, I earn my living doing other things. Stoves are my hobby. I'm not in a position where I need to make a commercial venture out of stove design. I can appreciate that if I was standing in that position, I might not feel the same way. So, thank you everyone for sharing in the ways that you feel comfortable.
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Post by independentenergy on Dec 26, 2013 23:40:27 GMT -8
Sorry , I think I understand that sharing is free for non-commercial use .
If I 'm going to use the S -portal just ask to Pioniers ?
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Post by peterberg on Dec 27, 2013 0:17:02 GMT -8
Sorry , I think I understand that sharing is free for non-commercial use. If I 'm going to use the S -portal just ask to Pioniers? When your intention is to use the idea commercially, ask Pioniers. In case you like to buid a batch box yourself and want to incorporate the S-portal you are obliged to do so freely. |
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Post by pyrophile on Dec 27, 2013 1:43:59 GMT -8
Sorry, I might not have been very clear. I did not want to say that I thought about this idea before Pioniers, I am sure he thought about this before us and developped it before us, the proof is in those pages. There is no jalousy or anything like this from me.
I also said (maybe not clearly enough) that I found nice that he shared his idea.
Maybe my words were not appropriate.
I DID NOT want to create a polemical controversy.I just wanted to say my surprise that somebody put property rights on this open source system in developpement.
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Post by satamax on Dec 27, 2013 2:31:53 GMT -8
Max, you suggested the same thing right here on this forum only a few weeks ago. I haven't gone looking for it, but prior art for sure exists. Anyway, I think it's great that you shared your design with us Pioniers, and if registered and protected is the only way you feel comfortable sharing, well, that's your choice, and I respect it. I appreciate the sharing of knowledge however it's done. Thank you for the idea. Matthew, did i? I'm loosing the plot. Exept that, there is prior art. Laminar or nozzle adition of air or fuel into à venturi has existed since the venturi has existed or nearly. If you're into electronics, it's worth checking the Randal Smith of mesa boogie patents. Lots of things which shouldn't have been patented at all. And it's quite enlightening to see the comments about the subject all over the web. |
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Post by Dan (Upstate NY, USA) on Dec 27, 2013 3:30:11 GMT -8
More importantly by sharing it with us no other COMMERCIAL entity (like a large corporation with lots of funds and lawyers supporting) can patent the idea out from under him.
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Post by cab on Dec 27, 2013 6:02:18 GMT -8
So how exactly does the outside air enter into the bottoms of the two vertical "legs"?
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Post by morticcio on Dec 27, 2013 17:24:56 GMT -8
I assume it is via a dedicated channel beneath the firebox which leads to the front of the stove. A door/flap then controls the amount of air fed to the P-channel and S-portal.
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Post by independentenergy on Dec 28, 2013 0:29:21 GMT -8
I assume it is via a dedicated channel beneath the firebox which leads to the front of the stove. A door/flap then controls the amount of air fed to the P-channel and S-portal. Yes... I also believe ..A duct at the base of the batch box connected to the door , above this opening for the primary air |
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