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Post by satamax on Jan 21, 2015 4:00:49 GMT -8
Hi everybody!
Well, i have tried this question on two forums already.
Has anybody ever seen a Fresnel lens Thrombe wall?
To me, this could have few advantages. Higher temp of the colimated light beam, so there's a better transmission to the mass, i think. The difference of temperature being higher. Also the ability of heating at higher temps than if the mass was at near or equivalent to the temperature of the sun's rays behind the glass. May be 60C° behind the glass, compared to several hundreds behind a Fresnel lens at the focal point.
Also, since the beam is colimated i may be could do a staggered or overlaping double layer. With the layers which could be spaced may be 60cm, and the frenel lenses have different magnification factor. The first layer 's beams passing through the gaps of the second one. And the second layer would get some direct light from the gaps of the first one, but also the lost light rays which will have passed through the first layer.
I also could extend a bit on the sides and above the wall, since the rays are concentrated; so i could have a larger collector size. May be leaning the collector array could increase the surface too.
Whatch daya think Gals and boys?
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Post by Daryl on Jan 21, 2015 9:48:21 GMT -8
Sounds so cool
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Post by Daryl on Jan 21, 2015 9:53:26 GMT -8
Is the mass black like a passive greenhouse?
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Post by Donkey on Jan 21, 2015 9:54:50 GMT -8
It does SOUND good. I think the problem is going to be that Fresnel lenses only really work when they're pointed directly at the sun. Any system that uses them would need some kind of tracking to be effective, otherwise the sun would only line up with the fresnel lens for a few minuets out of any given day.
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Post by satamax on Jan 21, 2015 10:22:20 GMT -8
I thought they had a bigger range of use like +-30°
If i need an heliotropic array, that's no good!
Off to read then!
Daryl, a trombe wall should be black!
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Post by Daryl on Jan 21, 2015 10:49:49 GMT -8
It does SOUND good. I think the problem is going to be that Fresnel lenses only really work when they're pointed directly at the sun. Any system that uses them would need some kind of tracking to be effective, otherwise the sun would only line up with the fresnel lens for a few minuets out of any given day. Could you put several side by side in a horizontal half moon shape?
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Post by ericvw on Jan 21, 2015 15:11:39 GMT -8
What about in a row on the roof or separate structure which could charge some thermal mass? Which then could have air or water carry the heat to where it's needed/ radiated.... Just a thought. How much does one of these thingies cost/lense? Eric VW
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Post by thickstrings on Jan 21, 2015 18:24:15 GMT -8
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Post by satamax on Jan 21, 2015 23:42:40 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 5:33:07 GMT -8
A Trombe wall consists of a single plane of special glas, which is transparent for short wave length and opaque for long wave length, a 4"-6" air gap and a heat sink wall.
The single glass plane can block only heat loss by radiation, but not heat loss by the convecting air in the gap. Thus simple Trombe walls are working sufficiently only in mild climate.
At your altitute you would need a more advanced trombe wall. A moveable insulation could block heat loss by night. With Water the heat storage can be behind an insulation, but with water the heat collector could also be on the roof.
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