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Post by Robert on Jan 14, 2014 7:58:11 GMT -8
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Post by peterberg on Jan 14, 2014 9:34:42 GMT -8
thanks Peterberg, if I may ask, how long is the riser of the kitchen of the video I posted? Shorter, see the post of Robert. This is a short and high mass riser, difficult to get the fire going. So it would be better not to shorten it again. |
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 14, 2014 11:31:23 GMT -8
The riser is very short , however, is remarkable building hex .
My idea is to try to build a riser with the correct length , try to do it with hexagonal plates Vermiculite (...)
black instead of the oven , place the heat exchanger .
instead of building a bench, make a bell with white oven .
I would like to implement a bypass heat exchanger initially then once triggered the chimney ,begin to heat up the oven and bell .
i am preparing the sketch...
thanks
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 16, 2014 12:06:48 GMT -8
this is what I have in mind .. cucina.skp (197.19 KB) I still work on some things, I would take a bypass to heat faster chimney the heat exchanger is located under the plate. I adopted batch box with 6 "but with a length of 55 cm of the hearth. Comments and suggestions? thanks |
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 17, 2014 9:03:14 GMT -8
Hi I thought of a solution for the bypass .. I do not know if it can work, is placed at a height where the gas temperature in the chimney can send before heating the entire stove, a device will close the damper once reached the predetermined T chimney. The oven is quite large, and the cooking surface is really high, but I could not do otherwise. I would appreciate some comments. I'll try to calculate the ISA of this stove. cucina.skp (204.79 KB) |
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Post by satamax on Jan 17, 2014 9:33:50 GMT -8
Ciao Independentenergy.
Well, there's one think i can tell you, loading the firebox that low to the ground is a pain. Frankly, i would rather have a big J tube for cooking. Easier to load.
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 17, 2014 11:17:11 GMT -8
ciao satamax
you're right, but I do not know if they are able to design a j tube that functions equally well as a batch box of Peter.
I have had some experience with the J tube and a bit of smoke that comes back is frequent (of course with my knowledge).
I think, however, that a large system needs a rather high riser.
As you can see the operation of a oven black in the home?
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Post by Robert on Jan 17, 2014 14:54:23 GMT -8
wow... nice implementation of a design.
fingers crossed. waiting to see it coming to real world:)
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Post by satamax on Jan 17, 2014 21:31:31 GMT -8
ciao satamax you're right, but I do not know if they are able to design a j tube that functions equally well as a batch box of Peter. I have had some experience with the J tube and a bit of smoke that comes back is frequent (of course with my knowledge). I think, however, that a large system needs a rather high riser. As you can see the operation of a oven black in the home? Well, as far as i know for clean emissions, J tubes are better than batch rockets. The advantage of a batch box in a kitchen, is the heat generated. More fuel hence more heat. I have tried, and it's a pain to bend over to load the box donkey32.proboards.com/thread/799/barbie-core-horizyou can click on the pics if they don't appear. With your build, my opinion is "way too closed ports everywhere" I think, lately, Cramer's aproach is tickling my fancy. Way simpler.  |
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Post by Robert on Jan 18, 2014 1:50:16 GMT -8
Well, as far as i know for clean emissions, J tubes are better than batch rockets. are you sure about that statement? and what do you mean by clean emmision? levels of CO? what about Efficiency of a combustion? can you ad alink to Cramers build please. |
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 18, 2014 7:11:19 GMT -8
satamax
you mean too many narrow passages?
(with English I make a terrible effort)
keep in mind that this stove has many tasks:
plate for cooking, heating water, black oven and mass heater, and to maintain these characteristics all steps are required
I've got to give up something, in this case the convenience in loading the stove and the height of the plate for cooking.
but the batch box is 55 cm long and can use wood from 50 means so much heat ..
where the steps are narrow (but larger than to a conduit 6 ") and twisted the heat is still high, when the gases cool the volume is wider.
The bypass for pre heat the fireplace will do the rest (I hope)
I have an idea in my head, trying to create more flat surface can be positioned in front of the room to be heated
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 18, 2014 7:23:46 GMT -8
wow... nice implementation of a design. fingers crossed. waiting to see it coming to real world:) thanks for reply I hope to do something good .. :-) |
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Post by satamax on Jan 18, 2014 9:21:21 GMT -8
Well, as far as i know for clean emissions, J tubes are better than batch rockets. are you sure about that statement? and what do you mean by clean emmision? levels of CO? what about Efficiency of a combustion? can you ad alink to Cramers build please. Cramer's project. donkey32.proboards.com/thread/1044/working-backwards-bell-burnerAbout the J tube being cleaner than the batch box, iirc, that's Peter who said it, and i'm repeating it. Independentenergy. Too manny narrow passages, and passages way too narrow. You need this thing to be abble to let the gases flow. |
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 18, 2014 11:11:44 GMT -8
satamax sorry I can not understand, could you send me a PM in Italian?
thanks
I saw the project you are referring to, and it's definitely better with regard to the construction, but it has a black oven and the heat exchanger it can not be inserted directly into the flow hotter
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Post by independentenergy on Jan 19, 2014 2:38:46 GMT -8
Hi
After a few Pm with satamax I think I will follow your advice, simpler!
I post photos, however, the placement of the bricks
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It could be a system for possible solutions using a batch box with angled riser how did Cramer? in theory a rocket stove is always a rocket stove.
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