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Post by domovoi on Dec 5, 2016 10:42:58 GMT -8
Hi there, it's Leslie, with a question from a reader in Hungarian re a Batch Box project he needs assistance with.
He/she has photos and video, They only speaks Hungarian (it seems to me if you can speak Hungarian you can speak anything, but alas their mothertongue is their only. I provide the poorly-Google-translated note here. Please let me/us know what thread these questions would be better placed in, and who among us might speak this language.
I can do their dances but alas, I can't sing their songs. EMAIL: krisztiankalaszi@freemail.hu
"I'm Krisztian Magyarorszàgról
Bachbox built a rocket stove.
Site.
Not ready yet.
You can not mud, because a lot of water in it.
So.
Puffog the flames. [ha-ha]
Megalo-Ziv-heart-Megale.
What's the problem?
Not always.
Adjusts the trees and good.
What do I do wrong.
There are photos, there's video.
Send mail, RTGS (+36704217059) or skype: enol.
I do not speak besides my mother tongue.
Google Translate is your friend!
Thanks if you can help"
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Post by tadiv on Dec 27, 2016 13:26:31 GMT -8
Hi, I'm Tadiv from Hungary, google translate is a bad friend.. I can't understand the translated version, so can you send me the original message? (in hungarian of course I think I can help about the translation, when you all understand Krisztian's problem, can help to him. I speak Hungarian, but I'm fighting with English, so let me some mistakes I'm a new member in this forum. I've got a Tile Stove (built on my own in 2014), and a brick furnace (also built in 2014) works very well, with low fuel:) I read about Rocket Mass Heaters heats and works more economical like Tile Stoves. I want to build a rocket mass heater with Batch box, heated seats, atc... and I want to ask some help and assistance about the rates of each units, diameters, max-min lenght, atc... I started the deal with Rocket stove few weeks ago, I want to learn everything abot it , please help me with build-literature, pdf-s, plans, anything Thank a lot! Hi there, it's Leslie, with a question from a reader in Hungarian re a Batch Box project he needs assistance with. He/she has photos and video, They only speaks Hungarian (it seems to me if you can speak Hungarian you can speak anything, but alas their mothertongue is their only. I provide the poorly-Google-translated note here. Please let me/us know what thread these questions would be better placed in, and who among us might speak this language. I can do their dances but alas, I can't sing their songs. EMAIL: krisztiankalaszi@freemail.hu "I'm Krisztian Magyarorszàgról Bachbox built a rocket stove. Site. Not ready yet. You can not mud, because a lot of water in it. So. Puffog the flames. [ha-ha] Megalo-Ziv-heart-Megale. What's the problem? Not always. Adjusts the trees and good. What do I do wrong. There are photos, there's video. Send mail, RTGS (+36704217059) or skype: enol. I do not speak besides my mother tongue. Google Translate is your friend! Thanks if you can help"
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Post by tadiv on Dec 31, 2016 15:18:27 GMT -8
Hello everyone, I need some advices. I'm planning my RMH with batch box and heated bench. I draw my flat and the planned place of the heater. As you see, I want to cut through the wall, and place the heater there to heat three place in the house. The question is the following: what is your opinion about the size of the stove, whitch is the better for this flat. The bell will constructed of brick, without barrel, I worried about my children ... There is a brick chimney, diameter 180mm, I worried about the condenzation in it. Which size of stove perfect for me, please help
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Post by radek on Jan 1, 2017 6:07:58 GMT -8
Hi Tadiv to let you know how many kwh you will need to heat your space ,you will have to let us know how big is the space you wanna heat in m3 and how well is the space insulated.If ill know those two requirements i could count it for you.The size of your chimney gives you an option to build a 15cm or 18cm/the best option/or maybe even the20cm/depence on how much you will cool the gases/batchbox.Cheers
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Post by tadiv on Jan 1, 2017 9:36:51 GMT -8
Hi radek, thanks the reply. I saw the pics of stoves that you built, congratulation, nice works The space that I want to heat is about 82,72 m3. 3 walls is "heated" by neighbors, only the large one is a "cold" wall. The ceiling have an extra insulation (10 cm rockwool with heat mirror film) besides existing. I'm thinking about the 20 cm system, because the flat (the block) is an old bulit (over 100 years ago). I worried about the water precipitation in chimney (brick chimney), I don't want to line it, so I need warm gases in it. The calculated ISA of 20 cm system is the same in the case of bick bell, that I will want to build? I 'll want to use little size (12x25 cm), solid bricks. thanks Tadiv
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Post by radek on Jan 2, 2017 9:18:50 GMT -8
Hi Tadiv i did some basic counting for yours cca.83 m3 space.It seems to me that your space is in the midle of 3diferent categories of insulated spaces.The first category would be-no insulated space.The second medium insulation and the third really well insulated space.Iwould guess you in the middle.So for yours 83m3 and medium insulated space you will need to get from your heater 2.69kw per hour. 2.69kw x 8hours radiation you need from your fire chamber 21.52kw/h. In my experience you are able to load the 18cm Batch box core with 9kg of HARD wood which gives around 32.4kw/h.How you can see the 20cm batchbox core would be too over killed for your situation.If you wanna make sure you have enough heat left to run the chimney.You will acomplish it by making the I SA of your bell smoller than the recomanded size which for 18cm batchbox is 7.15m2.If for any reasons you would push the bell size to its limits you could add a smoke flap somewher hire in the bell and have it slightly open when the heater is cold.This smoke flap could also be used as cold start stove.Hope this will help you to decide whot is best for you.
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Post by tadiv on Jan 2, 2017 10:26:27 GMT -8
Thanks radek. Numbers neves lies, thats why I asked. I think the 18 cm system is enough for my flat, I start to planning it. Thanks a lot: Tadiv
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Post by attis on Jan 3, 2017 12:10:40 GMT -8
Hi Tadiv, I'm Hungarian and built two rockets in my house with the help of this fantastic community here on the forum (thanks everyone). If you need some guidance or just want to know the lessons learned drop me an email. cheers attis
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Post by tadiv on Jan 4, 2017 9:28:43 GMT -8
Hi attis, thanks I'll search you. First question is the following: The 18 cm system need 7,15m2 sized bell. I want to biuld a brick bell, 7,15m2 is the inner surface of the bell or the external?
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Post by tadiv on Jan 4, 2017 9:59:32 GMT -8
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Post by tadiv on Feb 9, 2018 13:37:35 GMT -8
Hi everyone, lot of time, lot of problems, but tadiv's "Hungarian Rocket" build is being started. 15 cm iron-concrete basement, covering 5 cm ytongs, and roof tiles photos.app.goo.gl/NWRjv6II1lZGNIgP2photos.app.goo.gl/4hr9kfQtKESIWVRc2As radek advised, I plan 180 cm system, with heated bench. I mixed construction of brick stoves and tile stoves. photos.app.goo.gl/u6dqWezCWXGD7oBB3photos.app.goo.gl/ysFHbxgWaEQGsOcs2sewing bricks photos.app.goo.gl/H1yNFgYCWilXMpoV2bench is finished photos.app.goo.gl/zNAuszgYCczn4ZWD2door will weld by my father, I use "Kalocsa pattern", color will be matte black photos.app.goo.gl/v7BsSgPYWCkfuE5V2photos.app.goo.gl/iak5uKcqOC3BRY7P2next steps: the firebox, riser, and the bell... I'll be back
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Post by Jura on Feb 9, 2018 13:57:43 GMT -8
Hi Tivor
It would be much easier to look at your photos if you placed a direct link to a photo folder on the google drive or paste the links in your post using the "place photo" button in the compose msg window.
I can see you must have disassembled an typical Soviet era coal stove to get the tails:). I have disassembled 3 of them to get the tails and once I find a time i'm going to have it used in my allotment garden (kertek :-) ) to construct a bench on a terrassa.
The bench seems to be very low so only gases of low temp will get in there and you therefore you will not get nice working temps over there.
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Post by tadiv on Feb 17, 2018 4:44:13 GMT -8
Hello,
I need some advices. I want to use floor channel for my 180mm system. This channel's dimensions is the same of the P-channel's or calculate with another dimensions? I read on batchrocket.eu about percents of the vertical and horizontal parts of the floor channel, but it is not really clear for me. Can anybody help me? The floor channel's opening is not the same of the primary air's, I want to use another one.
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Post by Jura on Feb 17, 2018 5:24:07 GMT -8
Hello, I need some advices. I want to use floor channel for my 180mm system. This channel's dimensions is the same of the P-channel's or calculate with another dimensions? I read on batchrocket.eu about percents of the vertical and horizontal parts of the floor channel, but it is not really clear for me. Can anybody help me? The floor channel's opening is not the same of the primary air's, I want to use another one. Yes! The dimensions from that sheet are applicable in case of to -p and -floorchannel as well. Is the explanation from that thread enough for you?
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Post by tadiv on Feb 17, 2018 13:02:43 GMT -8
Hi Tivor It would be much easier to look at your photos if you placed a direct link to a photo folder on the google drive or paste the links in your post using the "place photo" button in the compose msg window. I can see you must have disassembled an typical Soviet era coal stove to get the tails:). I have disassembled 3 of them to get the tails and once I find a time i'm going to have it used in my allotment garden (kertek :-) ) to construct a bench on a terrassa. The bench seems to be very low so only gases of low temp will get in there and you therefore you will not get nice working temps over there. Thank you for the infos, about the channel Jura! You saw right abouth the stove tiles, I have to disassembled two Tile Stoves. These were saled on Budapest for free just need to disassembled, 2 friends helped me. Their help was very neccesary, because one of these stove was on the 1st floor, another one on the 2nd floor, elevator nothing, so can you imagine how hard was this project. the bricks on the bench are disassembled too my great-great-grandfater bought and used these to build an outbuilding, so these are very nice to me, I hope it will heat my flat so many years You used hungarian world "kertek" means "gardens", please let me know where are you from?
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